Labels: Church, Culture, Emerging Church, Reflections
At 6/01/2007 09:39:00 PM, Andrew
Spot on. I remember when I first realized that "swear" words had no inherent evil attached to them. I was a teen and on a short safari with a friend and a bedowen (sp?) in the Negev desert. The bedowen who was leading us was thin on English and I was trying to tell him we needed to stop so I could go to the bathroom. I was not getting through, so my friend piped in with the universal - Shit. This was understood and we stopped. For the first time I realized shit is just a word.
I totally agree with your take on what we say to build up or tear down. I remember a young boy running up to a pastor to tell on another boy who was teasing him about his weight. The Pastor told him to remember that sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can never hurt you. Hmmmm... I wonder how the Pastor would have reacted if the offending boy had been calling him a shiteater rather than teasing him about his weight.
I wish that stick and stones phrase would die. I have fuzzy memories of the physical fights I got into as a young boy, but I remember in Hi-Def clarity the times I was mercilessly teased.
funny - i grew up in a house where "fart" was a bad word. i feel weird writing it now - although i let my kids say it. (my son wanted to know if he could say "hell" - i told him it depends on the context - since they go to a christian school i figured we shouldn't push it). other language deemed as "cuss" words no longer shock or offend me. i do cringe when i hear someone say "oh my G.." or "for Ch.... sake!" that's offensive to me.
as i mature as a person and as a child of God my perception of mere words changes. i don't go around using foul language - but i also realize they are "words".
and mighty powerful they can be!!
At 6/02/2007 12:49:00 AM, Unknown
In true postmodern context your language is unique to you and therefore you can only interpret ith through you - you can say what you want and its not yout fault if saying it offends someone elses interpretation grid.
I wonder if it not becomes so much language that offends us but language that offends others - regardless of whether it's fuck or you throw like a girl - if people find either of those offensive then why use them?
I may have the right to say fuck or that you throw like a girl but i'd rather not use that right if it causes you offense...
At 6/02/2007 09:04:00 AM, Julie
Andrew - you remind me of something I heard from a friend in grad school - that in certain parts of Africa the latinate words are considered more offensive than the traditionally vulgar words. This had to do with the fact that the colonial oppressors used the latin phrases and so the natives took to using the "vulgar" terms as a way of casting off the chains of oppression.
revolution, paul, and chill - this is very much a culturally constructed thing. Certain words do offend certain people in our culture (I just wish they would take a minute to think through why they are offended). So in certain contexts in is inappropriate to use certain words just as it is inappropriate to fart loudly in other circumstances. It is more about cultural sensibilities than sin.
Paul - so do you think its okay to use language that ridicules and tears down a certain group if none of them are present (or they have no ability to voice opposition.)? So you can insult women, gays, blacks, handicapped as long as no one is offended? Or is the idea that all people should be offended by such talk and so therefore it should never be uttered?
At 6/09/2007 05:23:00 AM, Andii
There's a huge dimension in this that's about Christian 'respectability' and I suspect that comes down to class. Check out http://nouslife.blogspot.com/2007/02/more-on-profanity.html and http://nouslife.blogspot.com/2007/01/theology-of-profanity.html and probably more importantly http://nouslife.blogspot.com/2006/04/who-gives-about-profanity-mar-28-2006.html
At 6/09/2007 08:40:00 PM, Julie
Drew - I'd love to read your perspective on this whole issue.
Andii - yes "respectability" and "class" are all part of it. The culture defines what they deem respectable and then looks down on those who operate outside of that definition. Cultures can have their mores - my issue is when people start assuming that breaking cultural rules is sin or when those mores are just excuses to oppress/ridicule the poor.
by my count, the culture decides what is offensive. and last time i checked, the bar was set pretty low. so where does this artificial standard of what is and is not offensive come from? John Macarthur? The Southern Baptist Convention?
http://revolutionfl.blogspot.com