Labels: Emerging Church, Politics, Social Justice
I probably haven't had enough coffee ... but your first paragraph got under my skin. In particular, this sentence, "...all you emergent types are too tied to progressive liberal politics so therefore you think the government will save you and usher us into a perfect Utopian future (which is really a modern conception of progress anyway...)."
However, many fundamentalist (modern) types seem to be tied to regressive conservative politics ... but that's okay? The path to salvation is through regressive conservative politics? I don't buy that line of thinking.
Either it's okay for Christians to engage in politics. Then all Christians need to understand that politics and religion are somewhat separate and a person can be a person of faith and have a differing political perspective. Or, (and this is silly) we should agree that Christians not engage in politics at all. But to say that Christians should only engage in conservative politics is highly suspect.
At 10/01/2007 06:14:00 PM, Mike Clawson
I may be wrong (though I could just ask her in person of course), but I think Julie was reacting not specifically to fundamentalist modern folks who say this kind of stuff, but to the neo-liberal, anabaptist, Hauerwasian Mafia types who also say this kind of stuff. Hence the irony that some forms of postmodern Christianity can lead to a similar political isolationism as some forms of separatist fundamentalism (at least, pre-Falwell).
At 10/02/2007 11:23:00 AM, Tripp Hudgins
Yeah...I struggle with this too. Paul says that governments are a gift to us from God...And that governments are called to be saved/godly/vehicles of salvation as much as any other person or organization. Well, that's how I understand all that stuff in Romans.
But the warnings in Romans are also true. And the political language of Christ's Kingship are ample warning.
And no one said that any of these organizations...or the faithful communities...will be free of sin. In fact, I think that the Bible is pretty clear that they are not free of sin.
We all need redemption.
I think part of the problem might be a return to dichotomistic thinking that separates the world into "Christian" and "non-Christian". Rather than seeing God at work through many different means (including through governments and technology), this sort of anti-Utopian reaction you're describing seems to want to say that God is really only at work in the small local communities of Christians. It's a sort of separatism all over again, even if this time it's coming from the neo-liberal camp rather than the fundamentalist camp.